#aspd + bpd adjacent

[saintuar]

ASPD + BPD Adjacent

this is my take on ASPD + BPD adjacent

-> "A flag intended to be vague so anyone can use it whether they are sure they have ASPD and BPD, display traits of both, or are questioning."

the flag colors come from @obnebulant-mogai's ASPD and BPD Adjacent flags, symbol was made by me

don't repost without credit (please link back to this post)

this is not made for transid and never was

i've never done anything like this before... first timer here special thank you to my bff @brrobin for helping me make this!!! i am also okay with people using my symbol if they happen to stumble upon this, just don't claim as your own (and feel free to tag me too i guess?)

tagging : @pdsarchive for archive

[mydarlingedits]

EXTRA USERBOXES I MADE

Edit: BOOO JUST NOTICED A SPELLING ERROR. Oh well . Might fix it eventually. For now I am lazy ᯓᡣ𐭩

ᯓᡣ𐭩 Requested by 𓇿 no one .ᐟ

        𐙚˙⋆.˚ Date Posted 𓇿 7/11/24 .ᐟ

ᯓᡣ𐭩 Terms of use 𓇿 Free with Credit .ᐟ

[PLAIN TEXT: 'op is an adult' on the top left, and 'No DNI ! Just be nice' on the bottom right].

[woodbyne]

   ＠ BPD + ASPD adjacent. ( see also )

An awareness flag for people with [ symptoms of ] both bpd & aspd.

For myself because I wanted a pink one

[Plain text start: Boderline personality disorder and antisocial personality disorder adjacent. An awareness flag for people with (bracket) symptoms of (end bracket) both BPD and ASPD. For myself because I wanted a pink one .Plain text end]

[littlest-bugz]

intro post

welcome to my blog!!!

My name is BUGZ! I'm a bodily 22 y/o multiply disabled, queer DID system! My pronouns are they/he, and I prefer masculine or neutral terms :]

This blog serves as my main hub for everything I like and do- art, memes, fandom stuff and more! This blog is really a collection of a bunch of random posts, and for that reason, it's really cluttered! I also will post about DID and CDD adjacent posts!!!

get to know me more below the cut!

[byf also below cut]

before you follow. . .

Our account may not be fully SFW, but we never reblog or post pornographic material! I have a bad swearing problem, struggle with """adult""" issues [such as addiction], and due to my trauma, I have a hard time telling what is socially acceptable in regards for entirely being SFW. It's something I'm working on actively! The most explicit posts you will see are likely surrounding drugs and addiction. I prefer minors do not follow me, but liking and reblogging is okay!

I do not engage in any sort of discourse. I seriously cannot be bothered, and a lot of discourse is chronically online anyways [sorry, not sorry]. If you really need labels to feel comfortable, I am anti-misinfo and anti-harassment. Anyone is allowed on my blog as long as you don't promote misinfo, harass others, partake in ANY form of bigotry, and are not a gross person [subjective to me].

Following that; I block very liberally! This is the reason I removed my DNI, actually. If I notice you're partaking in spreading misinfo, bigotry, spam me, or anything I just don't like, you go straight to the block chamber! I curate my space for me! Not to mention my old DNI didn't work entirely anyways.

BPD/NPD/HPD/ASPD havers are all welcome on our blog! If u believe in [any disorder] abuse, leave!!

WE ARE PRO-EDUCATED SELF DIAGNOSIS!!!

about us !

As I stated before, I'm a DID system! I state this pretty openly due to the fact it affects every aspect of my daily life- even my posting! PLUS I talk about my system a decent amount. On top of that, I also have OCD, Autism and ADHD! A total mouthful, but you'll see posts centered around these experiences! I also have a physical disability, and I complain about it often.

You can find our frequent fronters on pronouns.cc !! [link]

In terms of my queer Identity. . . We collectively identify as transmasc, bigender, panalterous, omni oriented aroaceflux, and ambiamorous! This is an agreed upon identity the entirety of The Crew and Co. and is essentially for the body itself! Most of the time, I just say I’m queer! Names, pronouns, genders and sexualities all vary from alter to alter individually.

On our page, you will find. . .

Lots of reblogs on random topics and hyperfixations

Fandom content! Mostly frum Inscryption and Ghost [the band]

SOME political content [your warning]

System Content [mostly text posts and memes]

Rambling and Yapping

Cat and Bunny posts

Web weaves

Userboxes and Flags

. . . and a ton more!

i have sideblogs!

Wow, I never had thought I would have more than one blog, but I DO. AND IT'S MORE THAN JUST TWO..... Here they are!! :

@sum-silly-bugz -We make Weirdcore and Dreamcore edits!! you can find all of those here

@into-the-bugverse - Writing and Original Character blog! While I reblog my art to this account, this is where it's posted first!!

. . . and probably more to come!

tags!

#important - important posts to us! [a heavily neglected tag]

#fresh from the insectoids - my original, non-yapping posts,,, may not be very original tho LOL

#the bugz speak- my ramblings on stuff going on my life- can range from goofy things to long and drawn out talking in circles.

#reblog time - My reblog tag!! Everything that gets reblogged should be under this, but I don't always remember.

#you asked we answered - My ask tag! Feel free to send in asks at anytime

#original userboxes/layouts/flags/ect - All of our original content divided into specifics! [ note: they are not all lumped together like that, just putting them all together for the sake of space, you can find most of them tagged in this post ]

#system posting - Our experiences on system hood as well as reblogs and other stuff! Was formerly 'system stuff', and I am notorious for not using this tag

#lps posting - I am/was an avid lps collector!! I reblog fanart and post original content [sometimes,,, but usually text posts]

#ghost posting - HUUUUGE fan of Ghost [the band]. I reblog content on it frum time to time!!

#inscryption posting - Main fandom I'm in!! I love this silly game to the point I'd call it a Special Interest at this point [it's been years of being obsessed with it, lords help me]

#cat posting - I reblog a lot of cat pictures and art!! cats r a huge comfort for me

#bunny posting - Same reasoning as cats tbh!!

#writer posting - where I post all the writing content, such as memes and text posts,,, mainly memes, but also resources and ect

#art posting - where I put all the art text posts, especially memes, but also just general art we make

#vent posting - vent posts- block this tag if you aren't interested in seeing my vents!

#the hoard - I hoard and collect deco. If the links don't work for some reason, just click this tag

#sorry for yearning on main - sorry for yearning on main

more tba . . .

links!

deco collection - A hoard of all our deco, which includes stamps, blinkies and userboxes!! WARNING; FLASHING IMAGES, BRIGHT COLORS, AND MORE! PROCEED WITH CAUTION

pronouns.cc - has all of the alters that want to be public for our tumblr specifically. There are less on our website than here, so if you want to know everyone, go here!!

our website - has our frequent fronters, digital diary, art and comms, and more! It is still a WIP but it's to a point where I am comfortable sharing :]

art comms website - two of our hosts are artists and take comms- this is their site! comms are currently open, alwyas including these funky chibi heads

my ko-fi - consider donating to the cause of... me! I'm multiply disabled. If you like any of my original content and feel inclined to, drop a dollar or two here!

[livi-nightmaredelusion]

Intro:

Livi, he/him or he/that/it

Rabbit therian, English Spot rabbit ⨺⃝𓃹

Anti-C 🐾+🍸+⚰️

trage: 27 (chrono: 18)

Pre-Radqueer🍓🌈 and FLEUR-aligned🌷☄️.

DMs & asks are welcomed, I love meeting new people!

DM for journal blog where I also post art sometimes.

No DNI

Discourse or similar subjects will be tagged as #CD pony

My Group:

promoting harm is prohibited.

Fedi:

IDs under the cut

Cis:

arab, Orthodox Christian, ambidextrous, paras, sh, substance-abuse, therian, Persecution Complex, ADHD, OCD, AsPD, BPD, NPD, C-PTSD, Schizospec

Schrödinger:

Intersex, Tritan-Colourblind

Trans:

bad-luck-charm(self), age-27, service-animal(self), eyecolour, white;

the IDs with "(self)" means I am the thing the ID is referencing, I thought it could be missinterpreted without the indication.

Other:

Zoo4transspecie, trageMAP4trageAAM (trans age only)

[snoopyghibli]

❝ hey hai hello ! bun's buneye, but kyu can also call mwe bun, miffy, ou crumbcake ! bun's a novice editor and also makes flags and miscellaneous aesthetic stuffs ! enjoy your stay ! ❞ [requests are open] 📬🌱

✿ info : intersex tboy transfem demigirl masc-lean pan sapphillean, monachoric bat twink, audhd bpd aspd & polyfrag did, he/it/they/shy ++ with a he/it pref unless close, mixed poc, nonhuman otherkin / hearted, possibly furry adjacent, infp-t, sagittarius sun, scorpio moon, capricorn mercury, cancer rising, aspiring author, voice actor, and biologist !

✿ whitelist : hoyo games ( will give characters their melanin back ), lucky☆star, azumanga daioh, chainsaw man, vtubers, irl media ( no celebs, only the characters they play ), the peanuts, ruby and max, ghostbusters, bluey, totally spies, teenage mutant ninja turtles, slashers, resident evil, animal crossing, demon slayer, my hero academia, sanrio, fanart with credit, five nights at freddies, needy streamer overload ( selective ), super sonico, vocaloid, marvel, dc, nintendo, my little pony, panty and stocking, doki doki literature club, madoka magica, watamote, danganronpa, jujustu kaisen, studio ghibli, jojos bizarre adventure, bungou stray dogs, final fantasy, sucker for love, cherry crush, blues clues, and more ! just ask !

✿ blacklist : dark fall, most bl manhwa, killing stalking, boyfriends webtoon, most dating sims ( see whitelist for exceptions ), object shows, low content media, noa senpai wa tomodachi, kimi ni koisuru satsujinki, project sekai unless you explain the character, anything related to rororogi mogera, south park, hazbin hotel, nijisanji ( unless pomu & selen ), homestuck, the coffin of andy and leyley, and harry potter。

✿ ask game : send 🎀 and a question for bun to answer, 🍰 for one of bun's favorite foods, 🍟 for one of bun's favorite things, 🫓 for one of bun's spinterests / hyperfixations, 🍧 for one of bun's favorite activities !

✿ tags : 🏠。-> talking, 🦴。-> asks, 🐾。-> self indulgent, 📄。-> requested creation, 🍗。-> general creations, 🎾。-> reblog, 🌳。-> family, 🌱。-> moots

✿ note : bun is shy and has trouble with tone . . . please use tone indicators ! bun has many disorders so please be patient when requesting . . . if the random mood swings don't slow down the process the chronic pain definitely will ! everything here may be subject to change !

© snoopyghibli ✮

[transhandler]

　　　　　 　　　" We're not like that, are we?... "

call me andrew, he/it, 22, taken by my stupid gf @loyalter pro transid pro para rq adjacent neu-rq limi-c

im a RAMCOA HC-DID system, ramcoa handler, transharmful (forcedharmful), parafreak, andrew graves irl and more. i also have aspd, npd, avpd, bpd, szpd, stpd, schizophrenia, metus amoria, character affinity identity disorder (CAID), pathological demand irritability and more.

mainly will post about me and my gfs journey joining this community n being in a conabuse relationship

[rjtbot]

AHHHHHHH YOU POST TDDUP STUFF I LOVE YOU!!!! Do you have any headcanons for Chris King or Aria King.

(I completely ignore that aria might be in love with Chris idc idc she is a bi queen to me)

Chris AND Aria headcanon: it's an emotional incest thing rather than a genuine crush, Aria is a really passionate, protective person, and Chris had no one else to confide in.

Chris headcanons:

what if I told you he's secretly more into Aria than she is into him....that's why he makes excuses to keep her around even if his spouse has a rocky relationship with her. I don't REALLY believe in that one, but it's silly to think about hehe

probably the safest character in the btd/adjacent games if you treat him right!!! it's not him you gotta worry about though :)

possibly also got BPD, but he's got the quiet/discourage type that makes him initially seem very submissive and dependant. truthfully he WANTS to be able to be dependant, which is why he likes the extreme bondage thingy that I forget the name of, and probably plays into any other kinks too

Aria headcanons:

BPD. she may struggle to stand up for herself, but as soon as you hurt someone she loves? she's ready to fight. she's that passionate about everyone in her life. there is no such thing as "acquaintances" - you either bond right away, or you don't.

"who has the biggest dick in tddup?" HER. her strap. (the canon answer is Chris according to an archive I saw)

one of the most spiteful, vengeful characters in the btd/adjacent games. worse than Derek. like she gets ASPD level rage when someone pisses her off.

[mangedmutts]

Updated intro post !!

Note; while we are very inactive we do plan to occasionally post some things just for fun, so yeah!

Basic information on us; we're a C-DID system of about 600-ish (probably more) alters/fragments, we have NPD, AvPD as well as traits of BPD and ASPD (BPD is more prominent)

We are bodily an adult, however a majority of us are stuck as teenagers due to that being when a majority of us split.

We enjoy all sorts of things, mainly games such as cult of the lamb, Pokémon, Dandy's world and even some of the older games like Nintendogs and Tomadatchi life! We have an interest in psychology, specifically mental health and disorders, and we are obsessed with animals basically :)

Just as a warning we do tend to make jokes about our disorders and we aren't really in recovery right now so we may be very volatile and unstable. While we do split often we rarely ever take it out on people directly, however we may go offline if we feel too much is going on at once

Also uh, DO NOT INTERACT!!

- endos, pro endos, supporters and neutrals (and anything adjacent)

- people who believe in doubles or encourage calling other peoples alters doubles (that's weird)

- people who believe in cluster B abuse

- fakeclaimers

- radfems

- radqueers

- anyone who forces others to change their name or to source separate when they're not ready to / don't want to

- people who try force healing upon others

- uhh, insert other things we don't like, idk I'll update it later

ALSO credit for our layout is here!!

[c0g-machine]

✨️Girls✨️

Hey, I'm Dani. Haven't made an intro post yet but I might as well lol

Alot of the info is under the read more cus I do NOT want this long ass list to be taking up half my page

I'm a bi lesbian and transsexual/altersex, I started my process of detransitioning from being FTM/binary transmasc a few months ago but I still consider myself apart of the trans community, and I'm also Genderqueer & GNC. use only she/he pronouns for me. Any terms are fine but rn I perfer fem & neutral publically, masc terms are often reserved for my partners & my wife.

I'm 25 in system currently, my birthday is May 13th, but bodily we are 22 years old. This account will be 18+ so MINORS DON'T INTERACT

I'm apart of a polyfragmented DID system, and I'm a subsystem myself. Having said that, this blog is meant for just me and my insane posts lol.

While being in a DID system, Me and the rest of us are fully in support of endogenics and non traumagenic systems. we believe in plurality regardless of origin so If you're anti endo stay as far away from us as possible, we won't hesitate.

My biggest interests are mechanical engineering, computer sciences, robotics, video games & a few other things.

I deal with auDHD, BPD, HPD, and P-OCD/Health OCD. If you believe that people with PDs are abusive, especially those with cluster b PDs, and ESPECIALLY for HPD, ASPD & NPD, Fuck off, and if you think those with P-OCD/Z-OCD are pedophiles/zoos, go away also. we're mentally ill and traumatized, and this is how it manifested. I am no more harmful than anyone else, and I am definitely not a pedophile for having a severe anxiety disorder around the FEAR and ANXIETY of being a pedo and being the same as our abusers. We're a grooming/online CSA victim as well, and we can not control or predict how this trauma and mental illness manifests, but we are in treatment right now for these things.

I'm polyamorous, and I'm in a relationship with @dakotakota and a couple of others apart of the Spiral System ( @the-spiral-system ) so while I will post about nsfw and kink, I will not respond to sexual and romantic advances, but some playful/non serious flirting and joking is fine, just respect me and my partners

I may post about sexual content and kinks, so as a warning you might see hornyposting on here.

My current special interests involves the band Ghost, Minecraft (Hermitcraft adjacent), Pokemon and Pizza Tower.

My DNI list is long, and I have a banner that I'll be posting on all of my original posts, but in general DNI if youre a terf or radfem, map/pedo, radqueer (like transid/pro and complex contact paraphile/proshipper/etc), yanderecore or traumacore blog, anti endo, anti mspec lesbians/gays, and in general being a bigoted shithole.

As a detransitioning/retransitioning person I understand people will have biases about us, and I understand we are often used as transphobic rhetoric by radfems and terfs, but Not every one of us are suddenly transphobic OR cisgender when we detransition/retransition. DNI if you're again detrans people OR are into detrans kink. Fuck off with that.

Hope yall enjoy my blog, just be nice to others! ^^

[system-of-a-feather]

anon that was such an insane thing to say. . . like u do realize that gatekeepers exist right. right. you do realize that if an alter really was that dangerous, someone else in the system would've likely done something abt it. right.

Like I mean even beyond gatekeepers, it's just honestly a huge misunderstanding on both how 1) switching works 2) how amnesia in DID works and 3) the extremely wide breath and variation of experience between people who have DID.

Also largely incorrect understanding on how trauma-based "psychopathy" and antisocial behavior works and functions but I'm largely less academically read on that topic so I'll refrain from saying anything more on that other than that from a personal experience level.

Like honestly, I hate to give the anon any validation on those claims - but I also hate pushing the "people with DID are innocent uwu buns that can't hurt anyone", cause we used to honestly actually be worthy of being on a watch list during the peak of our survival as teens. We had parts that wanted to do and planned to do atrocious shit, but in the end we still didn't do any of the bad shit cause even then there is a lot of time between planning and doing it and a lot of time for someone with DID to cycle to a more stable and sensible part or to talk themselves out of it. Atrocities aren't something you really do just in a "hmmm felt bored decided to do murder".

(Not saying that those who do experience that feeling aren't telling the truth or anything, but getting to the point of actually committing to doing that crap doesn't happen in a vacuum and as a sudden spark out of nowhere and there are a lot of places for an individual to stop.)

I'm firmly against othering and ostracizing traumatized individuals who have had the experiences of very genuinely considering very morally bad and atrocious things because that shit happens when you are raised and used to surviving in a world of atrocious, horrible, and morally bad things. I feel the excessive hard push of "all people with DID are innocent buns" is harmful to those that have actually been "dangerous individuals" as a defense mechanism. It promotes the idea of thought crimes and really encourages those that learned really problematic / harmful ways of survival to be discouraged from seeking help and healing.

People with DID are not more likely than anyone else to harm another, people with DID are more likely to be a victim of abuse than the average person, those are true and good statements; but "People with DID would never hurt someone" and adjacent sounding statements we personally don't like because people with DID still do hurt people sometimes cause its a very heterogenous group with a lot of different methods of surviving post an abusive environment.

But I digress, maybe someone will shoot us for admitting to having been really fucked up in highschool (will not elaborate because that's not necessary and I'm not gonna trot those proudly in public beyond that in hindsight they were obviously fucked up and we acknowledge that) and stating that people with DID can be abusive, dangerous, and harmful; but not anymore than anyone else can be abusive dangerous and harmful

Antisocial abuse doesn't exist, Borderline abuse doesn't exist, Narcissistic abuse doesn't exist, Histrionic abuse doesn't exist, Post traumatic abuse doesn't exist, DID abuse doesn't exist but people with ASPD, BPD, NPD, HPD, PTSD, and DID can still be abusive and thats an important dichotomy to be able to hold up together at the same time to validate all survivors imo.

Either way, I digress. If people dislike this post they can shoot us if they want but like, whatever man - we're just living life now with dreams of making a sustainable commune to feed homeless people. If yall (not at you, 'yall' as in anyone who is upset by this post) wanna judge us for unnamed atrocities we planned to do in highschool over where we are currently in life and where we plan to go, then thats on yall.

-Riku

[neros-stim-blog]

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Hello friends!

My name is Nero. I use they/he and do stimboards, neopronouns, and names!! Mostly for kins, das/irls, and introjects, but others are welcome to request!! Please specify if it’s for kins, fictives, etc etc or I’ll just default to tagging it as kin

Note: I will do any fandom, but please specify what themes u want unless it’s on the main source list ^^

Requests are closed :(

DNI and will/won’t do is below the cut! ^^

DNI:

Proship/Ship “neutral”

Any assholes, exclusionists racists etc etc

Thinspo/Proana

Pro-life

Think it’s okay to send people threats, no matter what their views are

Now that that’s over with, here’s a will/won’t do!

Will do:

Certain ships

Ocs/Sonas/Self (you can only request this if you specify what you want, unless I know you personally ^^)

Most fandoms

Certain content creators

Sfw agere

Won’t do:

Incest/pedo ships

Ships of content creators, even if they’re okay with it

Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss

Harry Potter/adjacent stuff

Vore themes

Lunter (Toh)

Huntlow (Toh) (shippers free to interact!)

Vanilliam (Fnaf)

Willry (Fnaf), unless it’s a pre-murder/good!william kind of deal

Clay or Bloberta Puppington (Moral Orel)

Needles/IVs

Organs (especially beating hearts)

South Park

(Excluding introjects! Introjects are fine for the ship ones, I just don’t like them in fandom ^^)

Main sources:

Fnaf

The Owl House

Dsmp

Qsmp

Youtuber Egos/Sanders Sides

Marble Hornets (never read the comics, still free to send reqs!!)

Spooky Month

HLVRAI

Portal

The Warner siblings (Animaniacs)

Little Nightmares

The Magnus Archives

Coraline (movie)

The Mechanisms (Band)

Steam Powered Giraffe

Stellar Firma

Slime Rancher

Moral Orel

TF2

Other stuff:

Don’t send me discourse-related asks /srs

I’d prefer you don’t send me specific fanart to use in a stimboard unless you have explicit permission from the artist. Like heavily prefer

Mspec lesbians/neo users/”weird” queers are and always will be welcome here!!

We're a system! We go by the Roman System :]

Homestuck fans, Dsmp fans, etc are welcome here as long as they are critical of the things the content creators have done and do not support the problematic parts of the media or fandom.

My blog is a safespace for people with npd, bpd, aspd, and any other disorders considered “dangerous” by society. If you think people are dangerous because of a diagnosis, then kindly fuck off /srs

Divider link

I’ll update this when I have more rules!! ^^

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[blood-starved-beast]

Wrote a lot about Jinx and Conduct disorder and I forgot to mention the biggest piece of evidence complicating it:

(from the DSM-V, Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition)

the fact that a lot of Jinx’s actions occur outside of her hallucinogenic moments (the Progress Day event, again Vi dinner table scene, Chuck, other factors) it could be said that this is evidence for ASPD. BUT cause one cannot remove the fact that she hallucinates, to the point that she regularly dissociates, and has symptoms relating to both BPD and schizophrenia (and thus all the other actions I mention could be symptoms of both or either) Jinx can’t reliably be diagnosed with ASPD or conduct disorder. I have massive issues with the DSM and how it categorizes things and takes such a sharp response to diagnosis, but yeah. Everything I said about the environment and how that likely shaped Jinx I stand by though. Definitely a crucial part of her psychology and even DSM diagnostic statements (derogatory) aside, I do think anti-social adjacent analysis should be taken into account with Jinx. But not as concrete diagnosis as pathology (and naming it) is a very very complicated

Reminder that Jinx is the opposite of a psychopath.

[vulva-o-queef]

@hestiaq​ (making a new post because I don’t want to keep reblogging a long threat)

I’m really sorry for what you were put through. I sincerely hope you’re in a better situation now and doing okay. That’s horrific.

I remember the Ted Bundy bit you’re talking about- and she’s…. honestly quite right? If enough men have NPD/ASPD a few of them are going to seem intelligible, I think. I don’t really understand what you’re saying about Ted Bundy- if it’s tongue in cheek or not.

Okay, like I said, I haven’t seen this post she made. necromancerdoll just said that larps said sociopaths/psychopaths “can’t perform well in society/function with others.” I know aspd and being a sociopath are often considered the same thing, and I know a lot of them are pretty transparent assholes. Psychopathy isn’t a formal diagnosis at all, but criminal psychologists do use the term, and there’s a pretty solid consensus on what it means. Some people say psychopaths are a subset of sociopaths, and other people say it’s a similar but distinct thing, but in either case, one of the main characteristics of a psychopath (which a sociopath doesn’t, or doesn’t always have) is that they’re smooth and charming, and they use those traits to manipulate others.

My comment about Ted Bundy was sarcastic (and probably not in very good faith, but also wasn’t really related to the main point of all this), because saying psychopaths “can’t perform well in society/function with others” is the opposite of the truth. Ted Bundy was charming, socially adept, approachable, and likable, which was exactly how he managed to lure in many of his victims. He would put on a fake cast and ask women to help him get things into his car, which is what that scene from silence of the lambs is based on. Larps might be totally aware of all that and just phrased something too broadly. The only way it would be relevant to the rest of what I’m saying is, if she really meant to say that psychopaths are socially inept, it would be another example of how she tries to speak as an authority on mental disorders she doesn’t understand. Mostly I was just poking fun.

Women are over-diagnosed. But I don’t understand how Larps pointing out shitty behavior is the same as “diagnosing everyone”. Also, she’s talked about how borderline personality is over-diagnosed and often ascribed to women who are dealing with trauma. She’s also not talking about it from a “I don’t personally like them” only- “these people” are people who are cruel and vicious and play victim when called out on their cruel vicious behavior.

Clearly, you and I interpret the things she says about bpd and ‘cluster b’ in general very differently. For one, diagnosing anyone over the internet is absurd. In my first response to her, I did agree that she has made some good points, mostly about the link between autogynephilia and narcissism. But that’s about noticing an overarching theme within a specific population, and there’s already a decent amount of academic writing about that link. Case studies done by real psychologists. Actual studies done with controls and statistics and so on. And even with stuff like fucking “trans lesbian” dating profiles that larps points out herself, there is some solid evidence there due to the sheer repetition of entitled attitudes, fetishism, etc, the list goes on. My issue is with the way she thinks she understands BPD when she clearly doesn’t, how she applies “cluster b” or bpd to an awful lot of people, largely young ‘transmen’ or radfems she doesn’t like, and how whenever anyone she’s put down for having BPD tells her to cut it out, or tells her that she’s wrong about them, she dismisses anything they have to say by citing “people with bpd are insane,” or telling them they’re being irrational due to their disorder. Basically she’s using it as a shield to avoid being held accountable for the things she says. “Anyone who’s telling me borderline people aren’t irrational is only saying that because they’re borderline, and therefore they’re irrational!” I’m not saying she’s diagnosing “everyone.” And regarding transmen specifically, there are a lot of psychological factors involved in that situation, and for someone who’s so vocal about the cultlike, exploitative, backwards nature of the trans movement, you’d think she would understand how absurd and frankly just plain egotistical it is to think she can simplify all of those psychological factors and dynamics down to “cluster b.” Again - remember that she’s talking about people she’s never met in her life, usually judging from one blog description, a handful of posts, or sometimes nothing more than a fucking selfie.

Even as a younger girl with supposed “BPD” (who even identified with the label)- I wouldn’t have found this stuff offensive, and if it did (which I might have, and sometimes still do)- it’s really that easy to log off or go outside.

That’s good for you, and I respect your perspective. And you’re right, I could just log off and ignore what larps is saying. You can say that about anything anyone says on the internet, and technically it’s true. But I didn’t. The things she’s saying are ignorant, I find them personally hurtful, and I think she’s spreading misinformation, harmful stereotypes, and regressive thinking. I see that she’s saying dehumanizing and belittling things to women on this site who deserve respect, and probably worst of all, I see that there are a lot of people who look up to her, ask her for advice, sometimes idolize her a bit, and many of them will believe pretty much anything she says. She’s feeding them bullshit and some really vile ideas about mental health stigma, and how people with certain disorders (mainly BPD) deserve to be treated. I don’t think she’s the devil incarnate, and I don’t think she’s out here ruining lives and destroying families. I think she’s an asshole with an inflated sense of her own insight and knowledge, and I decided to say something. I could have logged off, but in this case, I didn’t. That’s all.

...I don’t understand how Larps memeing on a Tumblr blog and often posting insightful ideas about personality disorders is “insulting, ignorant, and dehumanizing”.

Yeah I don’t know what you consider “insightful,” but posting the definition of “insane” and copy-pasting a list of bpd symptoms and saying “see? these people are insane,” and tagging her response to my post with #have u ever noticed how all of these people have personality disorders (callback to “anyone who’s telling me borderline people aren’t irrational is only saying that because they’re borderline, and therefore they’re irrational!”) ...doesn’t quite cut it in my book.

She doesn’t bring up cluster b whenever she “feels” someone is acting unreasonable and dramatic- they… are unreasonable and dramatic- at least in whatever context, and people don’t have to dig deep to see who someone really is to be able to just say “no that’s insane, bye”.

Mmmm... I realize you see the situation differently from me, but am I acting insane? I mean, at worst, I’m making the undeniably blunt way she talks to people into something bigger than it needs to be. And yeah, I know... classic cluster b, amiright? But even if that’s the case, even if I’m misinterpreting her views, surely you can see where I’m coming from. And there are quite a few people who have the same objections that I do (mostly radfems, radfem adjacent women, terves, etc.). When she wrote that tag #have u ever noticed how all of these people have personality disorders, isn’t it clear that she was referring to me, as well as the rest of the radfemmish women who have been speaking against this behavior from her lately? Isn’t she making an assumption that I have a personality disorder (which I do not)? 

Do you really think my objection to the way larps talks about bpd is an indication that I have a personality disorder, and that I’m insane? Unreasonable at worst. But yes, she is absolutely using the excuse that those who object to her saying borderline people are irrational are saying so because they’re borderline/irrational. And like I said, I’m hardly the only example of her saying things like this. Someone just reblogged the original post of all of this and said #I just blocked larps bcuz shes been reblogging random old posts from me calling me a cluster b as bait #as far as I know I’m the only quote on quote crazy bihet that doesn’t have a pd? Someone else wrote #I really looked up to larps hence I’m so torn about this #if I didn’t believe she was a smart and decent well meaning person I wouldn’t care. That’s just on that particular post, within the last few hours.

People with personality disorders are diagnosed because they’re anti social and cause harm to those they “love”/interact with and the cluster b community (that I hung around) spend most of their time groveling in misery- despite often constructing their own fantastical narrative of people horrifically abusing them and demanding to be coddled for every emotion.

Some of them, yeah. Not all of them, and not enough to justify making assumptions about people you’ve never met.

What I mean is- the pain that they’re feeling is an offense to ego a LOT of the time. And other’s shouldn’t have to walk around eggshells to make sure that they don’t injure others egos.

Agreed.

Like it’s not real, rudfems don’t enable or contribute to violence against women. None of these women, no matter how mean they are, contributed to the pain I experienced in childhood for being called BPD- actually it was always men and handmaidens.

I didn’t accuse larps, or any other ‘rudefem’ of contributing to violence against women. I know that men were the reason ‘hysteria’ could be diagnosed in the past, and I know that men are the reason bpd is being overdiagnosed in women today. And I’m honestly not even trying to say larps is being misogynistic to the women she says this stuff to (though re-reading, I realize it could easily sound that way). Misogyny or not, dismissing someone’s perfectly measured, reasonable objection as irrational just because they have a bpd diagnosis - which in several cases, dr. larps diagnosed all by herself - is unacceptable, is the same pattern and circular justification used on ‘hysterical’ women in the past, and is particularly bad because, as we agree, bpd is too often being diagnosed as the new version of hysteria. She’s re-enforcing age-old stereotypes about mental illness, and she’s buying into it so completely that she really believes that borderline people are so unreliable that she knows what’s going on in their heads better than they do. Hence saying that borderline people objecting to her backwards stereotyping are doing so out of a kneejerk reaction to a damaged ego, rather than because they know what she’s saying is false.

Also - she isn’t talking about everyone with “diagnosed” BPD.

If that’s what she means, then she’s the one who needs to say it, not you. Again, I respect that you have a different view of this, and I understand your perspective, I can’t believe what others say about her intentions and supposed read-between-the-lines distinctions, when she doesn’t say it herself, and the things she says and the way she acts do not communicate what you’re saying about her.

Meaning, there’s a distinction between people who have been diagnosed and are suffering, and people who have been diagnosed (or not) and are cruel and have a total lack of insight and disregard for other people.

Mental health is complicated. You can’t divide people with bpd into two clean categories like that. That’s not how it works. And you CERTAINLY can’t lump people into the “bad” category simply because they don’t like how you talk about their disorder. You can’t see someone objecting to what you’re saying and assume that YOU know that they’re coming from a “total lack of insight.” People are not psychic. Larps is using the fact that some people with pds have a lack of self-awareness to dodge accountability when it’s convenient for her. It’s complete circular logic - something you would think she would be above, no? “they’re irrational, and when they complain about me calling them irrational, I can shut them down by saying that any complaint they make is irrational.” I know I keep saying this, but it’s true. In my first comment, I pointed out that this is her pattern, and what was her response? hashtag have u ever noticed how all these people have personality disorders. fucking exactly what I said her response would be, because that’s the only excuse she has. 

And yes, insight is a qualifying factor that “””exonerates”””” (quite a loaded word in this context????) someone from being “really” BPD. The thing about BPD is that they will not (or cannot) change- like it’s not a fixed part of your personality, and if it is- you deserve to be called out, and if it isn’t and you still behave like that… you deserve to be called out, still.

Again, no. If this is the case, then we need to make a second definition to separate “REALLY bpd” from “sorta bpd,” since currently they both meet the same diagnostic criteria. It’s not up to you, or larps, to create definitive new categories of mental illness.

I went from being told I had “borderline tendencies” to being diagnosed with full BPD, to basically nothing at all, because I became aware of those patterns, learned how to be objective about my thoughts and emotions, and practiced resisting them to the point where they only show up if I’m already in a really bad state. I don’t consider myself to have - or to have had - a personality disorder, because I’ve almost completely gotten rid of those mental reactions. But I know people who do have BPD, who are self aware, who are trying the same things I did, but the difference is that even though they now have the tools to keep them in check, those mental and emotional reactions are still present for them, and likely always will be. To say they don’t REALLY have bpd because they’re able to control it is frankly insulting. “If you’ve been able to improve it through treatment, you never really had it in the first place.” I know that’s not how you meant it, but that’s what it boils down to.

BPD is not defined by a lack of self-awareness. It’s a pattern of ingrained emotional and mental reactions (and, subsequently, behaviors). These often develop as a method of self defense against external abuse. Or sometimes there’s no abuse and it’s there anyways. The cause isn’t always clear. But the criteria calling these symptoms “pervasive” doesn’t mean the individual is unaware of them. People who know they have bpd, and who are working on treating their bpd still have bpd.

“...deserve to be called out”... it’s not larps’ business to “call someone out” for having bpd. She can call someone out for acting like a shithead, but simply having bpd is not a flaw that needs to be criticized. Your phrasing makes it seem like that’s what you’re saying, and although I’m pretty sure that’s not what you meant, that’s what larps seems to think.

Not only are neither you nor larps qualified to determine the “category” of bpd that people on the internet who you’ve never met fall into, but even IF that’s how she sees it, then, again, she needs to say that herself, and she needs to reflect that view in the way she treats people.

But to conclude, she really does make that explicitly clear that she doesn’t think everyone with BPD is a “screeching, manipulative, hysteric”.

Where

You made a bunch of excuses for her and I still have no reason to believe any of it is true

However, I’m mostly speaking for myself here because I’ve been hanging around tungle for too long and I mostly want to say that this all doesn’t really matter. Like, so many feminists on here ramble on about “but what about bpd women who get misdiagnosed?” yeah I didn’t face brutality at the hands of snarky women on the internet. These are not the people that even enabled the violence that me or many other women with trauma face.

Again, I didn’t say that. I don’t think she’s destroying lives either, I was just frustrated, saw that many other women are frustrated about her too, and I felt like saying something, so I did. That is the extent of my motivations here. I do think that she is spreading harmful stereotypes and misinformation, but I’m under no delusion that she is causing damage on a massive scale. She is, however, just one more raindrop in the proverbial ocean of mental health stigma. Insignificant as a single drop may be, surely it’s no less significant than any of those people with bpd whose bad behavior you say should be called out. If it’s larps’ business to call them out, then it’s just as much my business to call her out.

It’s not up to her and other women like her to clarify every single thing they say- people DO generalize and we should be able to communicate without having to specify for everyone.

I’m not asking her to clarify “every single thing” she says, I’m asking her to stop acting like a shithead, labeling people she’s never met, acting like she’s an authority on personality disorders, and using her actually wildly skewed perception of these disorders which is steeped in regressive, harmful, and demeaning stigma and stereotypes about mental illness in order to manipulate her way out of being held accountable for any of it. I’m not telling her to stop generalizing for the purpose of communication, I’m asking her to stop making inaccurate generalizations based on stereotypes, and to stop using “cluster b” as a catch-all for bad behavior. Just because someone is a shithead, or unreasonable, or overdramatic, doesn’t make them borderline, and it’s insulting to the people with bpd who are truly good people, who also have to deal with their disorder being an internet trend for self-dx’ers to milk sympathy and excuse their abusive behavior (sounds just like what larps would diagnose as cluster b, I know, but it turns out that many people who don’t have bpd exhibit these traits as well), deal with shitty treatment from healthcare providers who read the diagnosis and think they know everything about you before you even walk in the door (back when I had the ‘full bpd’ diagnosis, a therapist said to my face that people with bpd were considered ‘used goods,’ and my current psychiatrist treats me with an absurd and totally unjustified level of suspicion), deal with the massively pervasive stereotypes everyone else holds about bpd (ranging from ‘serial killer’ to ‘used goods’ to ‘fake trend on the internet to get attention’), as well as dealing with - oh yeah - the actual fucking disorder, as well as often comorbid cases of PTSD, depression, anxiety, bipolar, etc.

I’m just saying, it would be a lot more effective and hurt a lot less people you supposedly didn’t mean to target if you just called out the actual behavior instead of “calling out” a disorder. Additionally, I’m pretty sure that people with bpd who do lack self awareness are far more likely to respond to direct criticisms of their behavioral patterns than they are to respond to the label of bpd being “called out.” They’d just see the latter as more fuel for self-pity. It’s a little harder to justify being the victim of someone saying “hey stop being abusive.”

And if that’s not enough reasons for you, consider: people who have shitty behaviors who don’t have a cluster b disorder (yes, larps, they exist) are just gonna hear criticisms of a disorder they don’t have and brush it right off. Call out the actual behavior, and there’s a chance they might recognize it in themselves. It’s like a quadruple win.

A hallmark of bpd/npd/aspd/hpd is having no insight into that, that people say shit, and you take what you can and leave it-her, or me, or anyone else mincing that up….. doesn’t help bpd women live in a world where nobody is going to mince anything up ever. It did not help me when people coddled me, and I intuitively knew that and was deeply frustrated with it.

You’re right that it doesn’t help to have people make excuses for you or ‘coddle’ you. But not being unfair and pushing harmful stigma is not the same thing as “coddling.” Nor is “not mincing” words the same thing as saying things that are untrue, unfair, dismissive, and insulting. Much like Trump saying blatantly racist things is NOT “just telling it like it is.” (and no I’m not comparing you or larps to trump or calling anyone racist. except trump)

Many of the women who have ‘spoken up’ about larps on tungle, I’ve seen on other mediums (fb, wordpress) and they’re often just blatantly manipulative

Really? Am I being blatantly manipulative? Or insane? And, to reiterate, is what I’ve said on her post enough for her to assume that I - and anyone else raising these issues with her - ALL have personality disorders? Is it justification for her to say that I’m “glorifying” ASPD/BPD?

and will never have any insight to the fact that all of this is really a non-issue

I gave you several examples above, and here's your treasure trove:

https://larpsandtherealgirl.tumblr.com/search/cluster%20b

Notice how she loves agreeing with everyone saying they’ve been abused by someone with a cluster b disorder, or otherwise says something negative about a person/people with a cluster b disorder, makes sweeping generalizations and basically uses “cluster b” with the same tone that you would call someone an asshole - that is to say, using the same logical standards of “you said some shit I thought was rude, so I think you’re an asshole & I’m going to call you one” when talking about psychological medical diagnoses?

Yeah, occasionally she claims she’s only talking about The Bad Ones, but that’s a pretty thin excuse when 99% of the time you make no attempt to differentiate, and post things like screenshotted symptoms (which - if the “good ones” with that disorder actually have that disorder - would apply to the “good ones” too) with captions like “these people are insane.”

Again, I realize you see the things she says very differently from me, but surely you can see where I’m coming from. And I would hope that you can see that my having this perspective does not justify saying I have a personality disorder, that I am insane, or that I am “glorifying” ASPD and NPD. I would hope that the similar shit she’s said about several other women who said things similar to what I said would also strike you as unjustified. You can make excuses that she wasn’t literally diagnosing me with a personality disorder, but you can’t make that excuse every single time she says something like this.

but instead “leave radical feminism because it’s so full of mean lesbian separatists” and make huge texts about it everywhere else and how rfeminism is a cult.

Okay... this is an entirely separate and irrelevant subject and I’m not sure why you’re bringing it up. I mean it sounds like you’re saying “people who don’t like being told they’re insane are just butthurt kek” which I really hope is not what you’re saying. I’m pretty sure there are plenty of radical women who would object to being called insane and having their opinions dismissed because of a mental health diagnosis, who would raise their objections and still believe in their politics, probably due to the fact that - in this context - those things have virtually nothing to do with one another.

My point is- she’s not just saying ppl who criticize her have bpd- they often do because people with personality disorders come out of the woodwork to be hideously angry at anyone who calls them abusive or “wrong” and “bad” (whatever that means at any given moment).

In summary: I appreciate and respect that you interpret the things larps says in a very different way, and I’m not trying to tell you that you should be hurt or anything like that. But I can’t accept what I see as excuses that you’re making for her, since she doesn’t offer any of those explanations herself, and I don’t see any evidence of the intentions you’re attributing to her, in her own words or behavior.

At the end of the day, larps is the only person who can speak for larps’ intentions (much like the people whose criticisms larps deflects by claiming they’re motivated by irrational emotion and a threatened victim complex SHOULD be the only ones who can speak for their intentions).

And at the end of the day, larps didn’t show anything but disrespect and a total unwillingness to even consider that the way she speaks to, and treats, people with bpd and people who criticize her portrayal and internet-diagnosing of bpd, might not be 100% faultless.

At the end of the day, larps read what I had to say about her dismissive attitude and manipulative, circular justification for avoiding accountability. Her response was to double down on calling people with borderline “insane,” and double down on her own belief that googling a list of symptoms makes her an expert on psychology, as well as an expert on the thoughts in other peoples’ heads. She used the exact circular, dismissive excuse I was calling out, yet again said that the people criticizing her were all doing so because of their - well “our,” I should say, since she diagnosed me - personality disorders, rather than their actual thoughts, opinions, and perfectly reasonable objections. And then she answered a bunch of messages laughing about how crazy and terrible “cluster b”s are. No, she didn’t literally say “EVERY SINGLE PERSON with bpd is like this,” but come on. She’s not the only person who can recognize patterns of behavior.